1 00:00:05,749 --> 00:00:03,510 a ufo crashing into a windmill 2 00:00:06,909 --> 00:00:05,759 and a public funeral for the poor 3 00:00:09,750 --> 00:00:06,919 unfortunate 4 00:00:11,370 --> 00:00:09,760 extraterrestrial pilot that's what we're 5 00:00:15,749 --> 00:00:11,380 talking about today 6 00:00:19,029 --> 00:00:15,759 [Music] 7 00:00:20,310 --> 00:00:19,039 welcome to old-fashioned ufos shane 8 00:00:23,109 --> 00:00:20,320 heard here 9 00:00:24,870 --> 00:00:23,119 today jason mcclellan and i are having a 10 00:00:30,390 --> 00:00:24,880 casual discussion about 11 00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:30,400 the 1897 aurora texas ufo crash 12 00:00:36,790 --> 00:00:34,160 now just like a bourbon cocktail 13 00:00:38,950 --> 00:00:36,800 classic such as the old fashioned 14 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:38,960 endures the test of time 15 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:40,960 well so too the classic old-fashioned 16 00:00:46,150 --> 00:00:43,680 ufo cases stand the test of time 17 00:00:47,590 --> 00:00:46,160 whether it be the photographic evidence 18 00:00:49,830 --> 00:00:47,600 physical evidence 19 00:00:51,830 --> 00:00:49,840 the strength of eyewitness testimony or 20 00:00:53,990 --> 00:00:51,840 government documentation 21 00:00:55,029 --> 00:00:54,000 these cases are worthy of their classic 22 00:00:58,150 --> 00:00:55,039 status 23 00:00:59,270 --> 00:00:58,160 and deserve our attention so sit back 24 00:01:02,150 --> 00:00:59,280 with your beverage 25 00:01:02,950 --> 00:01:02,160 of choice and follow along as we discuss 26 00:01:06,310 --> 00:01:02,960 our favorite 27 00:01:09,190 --> 00:01:06,320 subject ufos but first 28 00:01:11,109 --> 00:01:09,200 jason what bourbon are you drinking and 29 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:11,119 what's your recipe for a good old 30 00:01:14,870 --> 00:01:12,560 fashion 31 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:14,880 oh boy well i don't think there could be 32 00:01:18,149 --> 00:01:16,080 a bad old-fashioned 33 00:01:19,830 --> 00:01:18,159 old fashions are just i mean by 34 00:01:21,749 --> 00:01:19,840 definition they're really good 35 00:01:23,030 --> 00:01:21,759 one of my favorite cocktails for sure 36 00:01:25,910 --> 00:01:23,040 and i mix it up 37 00:01:27,109 --> 00:01:25,920 all the time um what i do what what 38 00:01:30,469 --> 00:01:27,119 alcohol i use in it 39 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:30,479 um today i'm drinking a rye dickle rye 40 00:01:33,749 --> 00:01:32,159 so that's that's what i've gotten in my 41 00:01:37,030 --> 00:01:33,759 old fashioned but uh 42 00:01:38,630 --> 00:01:37,040 you know i really like experimenting 43 00:01:41,910 --> 00:01:38,640 with different bitters too 44 00:01:42,950 --> 00:01:41,920 in the old fashioned so just starting 45 00:01:47,910 --> 00:01:42,960 from the beginning 46 00:01:50,149 --> 00:01:47,920 you know i'll do a a sugar cube um 47 00:01:51,350 --> 00:01:50,159 sprinkle that with some bitters muddle 48 00:01:53,749 --> 00:01:51,360 the uh 49 00:01:55,590 --> 00:01:53,759 smash that baby up a little splash of 50 00:01:56,630 --> 00:01:55,600 water too helps dissolve the sugar a 51 00:01:59,910 --> 00:01:56,640 little bit 52 00:02:03,990 --> 00:01:59,920 then then my my bourbon or my rye 53 00:02:07,109 --> 00:02:04,000 or my whiskey um and then 54 00:02:08,949 --> 00:02:07,119 gotta gotta have a good good volume of 55 00:02:12,229 --> 00:02:08,959 ice in there you know i like a good 56 00:02:15,030 --> 00:02:12,239 ice sphere or a large ice cube 57 00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:15,040 um as opposed to multiple ice cubes 58 00:02:17,990 --> 00:02:15,440 small 59 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:18,000 ice cubes or ice shaving chips it's 60 00:02:21,670 --> 00:02:19,840 always bad news when you order one in a 61 00:02:22,229 --> 00:02:21,680 restaurant they bring you all the iced 62 00:02:25,430 --> 00:02:22,239 chips 63 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:25,440 that's not a good old fashion but 64 00:02:29,830 --> 00:02:28,560 then a a orange a slice of orange the 65 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:29,840 orange rind 66 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:33,280 um that spritz of citrus 67 00:02:37,030 --> 00:02:34,480 you know really sets it off and then 68 00:02:39,589 --> 00:02:37,040 you've got to have a good brandy cherry 69 00:02:41,990 --> 00:02:39,599 none of the maraschino cherry crap 70 00:02:44,309 --> 00:02:42,000 you've gotta have a good brandy cherry 71 00:02:46,390 --> 00:02:44,319 for a real old fashion so that's what i 72 00:02:48,790 --> 00:02:46,400 do and you know lately with the uh the 73 00:02:51,750 --> 00:02:48,800 bitters i've been doing cherry bitters 74 00:02:53,509 --> 00:02:51,760 in my old fashions so yeah that's what 75 00:02:55,589 --> 00:02:53,519 i've got 76 00:02:56,790 --> 00:02:55,599 nice what about you what's your bourbon 77 00:02:59,750 --> 00:02:56,800 today 78 00:03:01,430 --> 00:02:59,760 well i went with a little bit of a treat 79 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:01,440 a friend of mine 80 00:03:05,509 --> 00:03:04,560 got me a bottle of let's see if you can 81 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:05,519 see it here 82 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:08,560 oh i love four roses yes 83 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:10,640 in a single barrel oh my goodness that's 84 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:13,200 awesome smooth as butter 85 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:15,920 so that's what i used today i too did a 86 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:16,840 i did a 87 00:03:24,229 --> 00:03:20,000 tablespoon this time of sugar 88 00:03:26,949 --> 00:03:24,239 i did like a half ounce of hot water 89 00:03:27,350 --> 00:03:26,959 knocked that down melted it dropped in 90 00:03:29,350 --> 00:03:27,360 my 91 00:03:31,270 --> 00:03:29,360 i can't pronounce it is it angelore's 92 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:31,280 bitter or whatever it is starts with 93 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:31,920 angus 94 00:03:39,190 --> 00:03:38,720 i did not have a black cherry this time 95 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:39,200 or an 96 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:42,560 orange so i'm going pretty light with no 97 00:03:47,509 --> 00:03:44,080 garnishment but 98 00:03:47,830 --> 00:03:47,519 um you know yeah sometimes you you get 99 00:03:49,990 --> 00:03:47,840 the 100 00:03:50,949 --> 00:03:50,000 cadillac version and sometimes you don't 101 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:50,959 but 102 00:03:54,229 --> 00:03:53,280 i too have the big old ice sphere there 103 00:03:56,229 --> 00:03:54,239 yeah and if everyone 104 00:03:57,509 --> 00:03:56,239 anyone has a chance you know you can buy 105 00:03:59,910 --> 00:03:57,519 those those 106 00:04:02,229 --> 00:03:59,920 molds yep uh then you have all sorts of 107 00:04:03,589 --> 00:04:02,239 different shapes i got one of the moon 108 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:03,599 i've got a couple 109 00:04:07,110 --> 00:04:06,239 skull heads i even have one of the death 110 00:04:10,470 --> 00:04:07,120 star 111 00:04:13,190 --> 00:04:10,480 fun and 112 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:13,200 and cool and just add to it so i've 113 00:04:17,749 --> 00:04:14,640 really been on the hunt for 114 00:04:19,509 --> 00:04:17,759 for ufo spheres and i think i've seen 115 00:04:20,710 --> 00:04:19,519 some molds but they're kind of tiny i 116 00:04:22,710 --> 00:04:20,720 would like a larger 117 00:04:24,390 --> 00:04:22,720 flying saucer you know if you could have 118 00:04:27,749 --> 00:04:24,400 like a large 119 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:27,759 flying saucer in ice yeah for your old 120 00:04:31,510 --> 00:04:28,400 fashioned 121 00:04:34,629 --> 00:04:31,520 that would be amazing sweet yeah yeah 122 00:04:35,510 --> 00:04:34,639 that or a big alien head too yeah either 123 00:04:36,950 --> 00:04:35,520 one of those 124 00:04:39,350 --> 00:04:36,960 yeah some of those scandals are like 125 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:39,360 alien heads but yeah the small ones 126 00:04:45,030 --> 00:04:39,680 don't 127 00:04:46,150 --> 00:04:45,040 yeah hey to kind of a little too much 128 00:04:49,749 --> 00:04:46,160 detail but 129 00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:49,759 it's all fun still fun yeah yeah 130 00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:53,120 what's yours yeah cheers to you too 131 00:04:56,210 --> 00:04:55,120 and uh you know it's five o'clock 132 00:04:57,430 --> 00:04:56,220 somewhere 133 00:04:58,710 --> 00:04:57,440 [Laughter] 134 00:05:00,790 --> 00:04:58,720 well it's always five o'clock on 135 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:00,800 old-fashioned ufos 136 00:05:06,070 --> 00:05:02,170 that's right 137 00:05:07,909 --> 00:05:06,080 [Music] 138 00:05:10,790 --> 00:05:07,919 well now that we're all settled in with 139 00:05:13,270 --> 00:05:10,800 a good drink let's talk ufos 140 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:13,280 yeah and let me start off with a summary 141 00:05:20,469 --> 00:05:17,280 of that 1897 aurora texas case 142 00:05:23,590 --> 00:05:20,479 so uh it reportedly occurred on april 143 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:23,600 17th of that year in aurora texas and 144 00:05:27,189 --> 00:05:25,360 this is a small town 145 00:05:28,710 --> 00:05:27,199 sort of in the northwest corner of the 146 00:05:31,510 --> 00:05:28,720 dallas fort worth 147 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:31,520 metroplex area and that incident 148 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:34,080 reportedly resulted in a fatality 149 00:05:37,990 --> 00:05:37,120 from the pilot of that crash and the 150 00:05:40,629 --> 00:05:38,000 alleged alien 151 00:05:41,189 --> 00:05:40,639 body is reportedly buried in an unmarked 152 00:05:44,710 --> 00:05:41,199 grave 153 00:05:45,430 --> 00:05:44,720 at the local cemetery and i want to 154 00:05:48,550 --> 00:05:45,440 share with you 155 00:05:50,230 --> 00:05:48,560 just an article that was written just 156 00:05:51,990 --> 00:05:50,240 two days later 157 00:05:53,510 --> 00:05:52,000 and let me bring that up and it's a 158 00:05:53,909 --> 00:05:53,520 little hard for me to read because it's 159 00:05:57,590 --> 00:05:53,919 it's 160 00:06:00,309 --> 00:05:57,600 kind of a copy of the actual um 161 00:06:00,790 --> 00:06:00,319 newspaper print but here we go so this 162 00:06:03,749 --> 00:06:00,800 is 163 00:06:05,749 --> 00:06:03,759 by a guy by the name of s e hayden a 164 00:06:07,270 --> 00:06:05,759 resident of aurora texas 165 00:06:09,189 --> 00:06:07,280 but he's writing the article for the 166 00:06:11,749 --> 00:06:09,199 dallas herald news 167 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:11,759 and it goes like this about six o'clock 168 00:06:15,749 --> 00:06:13,600 this morning 169 00:06:17,670 --> 00:06:15,759 the early risers of aurora were 170 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:17,680 astonished at the sudden appearance of 171 00:06:20,629 --> 00:06:18,960 the airship 172 00:06:23,430 --> 00:06:20,639 which has been sailing through the 173 00:06:26,070 --> 00:06:23,440 country it was traveling due north and 174 00:06:28,469 --> 00:06:26,080 much nearer the earth than ever before 175 00:06:29,749 --> 00:06:28,479 evidently somebody or some of the 176 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:29,759 machinery 177 00:06:35,189 --> 00:06:32,319 was out of order for it was making a 178 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:35,199 speed of only 10 or 12 miles an hour 179 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:38,400 and gradually settling toward the earth 180 00:06:42,150 --> 00:06:40,240 it sailed directly over the public 181 00:06:44,309 --> 00:06:42,160 square and when it reached the north 182 00:06:44,629 --> 00:06:44,319 part of town it collided with the tower 183 00:06:47,909 --> 00:06:44,639 of 184 00:06:50,550 --> 00:06:47,919 judge proctor's windmill and went to 185 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:50,560 pieces with a terrific explosion 186 00:06:53,670 --> 00:06:52,800 scattering debris over several acres of 187 00:06:56,710 --> 00:06:53,680 ground 188 00:06:59,990 --> 00:06:56,720 wrecking the windmill and water tank 189 00:07:01,589 --> 00:07:00,000 and destroying the judge's lower garden 190 00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:01,599 the pilot of the ship is supposed to 191 00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:03,599 have been the only one on board and 192 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:06,720 while his remains are badly disfigured 193 00:07:10,550 --> 00:07:08,560 enough of the original has been picked 194 00:07:13,749 --> 00:07:10,560 up to show that he was not 195 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:13,759 an inhabitant of this world mr 196 00:07:20,390 --> 00:07:17,280 tj wima the united states signal service 197 00:07:22,150 --> 00:07:20,400 officer at this place and an authority 198 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:22,160 on astronomy 199 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:25,280 gives it as his opinion that he was a 200 00:07:30,309 --> 00:07:26,800 native of the planet 201 00:07:32,950 --> 00:07:30,319 mars papers found on his person 202 00:07:33,909 --> 00:07:32,960 evidently the record of his travels are 203 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:33,919 written in some 204 00:07:38,070 --> 00:07:36,800 unknown hieroglyphics and cannot be 205 00:07:40,150 --> 00:07:38,080 deciphered 206 00:07:42,550 --> 00:07:40,160 the ship was too badly wrecked to form 207 00:07:43,990 --> 00:07:42,560 any conclusion as to its construction or 208 00:07:46,230 --> 00:07:44,000 motive power 209 00:07:47,589 --> 00:07:46,240 it was built of an unknown metal 210 00:07:50,390 --> 00:07:47,599 resembling somewhat 211 00:07:51,270 --> 00:07:50,400 a mixture of aluminum and silver and it 212 00:07:54,150 --> 00:07:51,280 must have 213 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:54,160 weighed several tons the town is full of 214 00:07:57,510 --> 00:07:55,919 people today who are viewing the wreck 215 00:07:59,909 --> 00:07:57,520 and gathering 216 00:08:00,950 --> 00:07:59,919 specimens of the strange metal from the 217 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:00,960 debris 218 00:08:04,070 --> 00:08:03,520 the pilot's funeral will take place at 219 00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:04,080 noon 220 00:08:10,309 --> 00:08:07,280 tomorrow again by s e 221 00:08:12,469 --> 00:08:10,319 hayden well 222 00:08:14,309 --> 00:08:12,479 that kind of sums up the case there but 223 00:08:16,309 --> 00:08:14,319 there were other key points that 224 00:08:17,749 --> 00:08:16,319 uh began to be discovered later did you 225 00:08:21,029 --> 00:08:17,759 want to share some of those 226 00:08:23,990 --> 00:08:21,039 yeah sure so it was reportedly 227 00:08:25,029 --> 00:08:24,000 wreckage from this crash site that was 228 00:08:28,710 --> 00:08:25,039 dumped into 229 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:28,720 a nearby well it was 230 00:08:32,389 --> 00:08:31,680 located under the damaged windmill which 231 00:08:34,310 --> 00:08:32,399 uh 232 00:08:36,630 --> 00:08:34,320 and some of the debris wound up in the 233 00:08:40,149 --> 00:08:36,640 the gravesite of this poor deceased 234 00:08:42,469 --> 00:08:40,159 alien pilot as well according to 235 00:08:45,430 --> 00:08:42,479 the mystery broly oats who purchased 236 00:08:48,310 --> 00:08:45,440 judge proctor's property in 1945 237 00:08:49,829 --> 00:08:48,320 allegedly cleaned out the debris um from 238 00:08:52,070 --> 00:08:49,839 that well 239 00:08:53,590 --> 00:08:52,080 a place by the judge in order to use it 240 00:08:55,430 --> 00:08:53,600 as a water source he actually wanted to 241 00:08:57,910 --> 00:08:55,440 use the well on the property 242 00:08:59,350 --> 00:08:57,920 but poor guy later developed arthritis 243 00:09:01,990 --> 00:08:59,360 and he attributed that 244 00:09:03,509 --> 00:09:02,000 to the metal that was in the well so he 245 00:09:04,630 --> 00:09:03,519 thought the water had been contaminated 246 00:09:07,670 --> 00:09:04,640 by this metal 247 00:09:08,630 --> 00:09:07,680 so in 1957 he sealed up sealed up the 248 00:09:10,630 --> 00:09:08,640 well 249 00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:10,640 with concrete poured a concrete slab 250 00:09:14,949 --> 00:09:12,000 over it and 251 00:09:16,550 --> 00:09:14,959 also built an outbuilding on top of it 252 00:09:20,790 --> 00:09:16,560 and obviously stopped using 253 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:20,800 that water source yeah pretty crazy and 254 00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:23,920 and i i know i've seen photos or video 255 00:09:28,310 --> 00:09:25,760 of him when he was alive and that 256 00:09:29,430 --> 00:09:28,320 arthritis was wicked on his hands they 257 00:09:32,550 --> 00:09:29,440 were right 258 00:09:33,670 --> 00:09:32,560 you know not even usable or or barely 259 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:33,680 usable so that 260 00:09:37,030 --> 00:09:36,240 that was a pretty frightening thing so 261 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:37,040 yep 262 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:39,120 all right well that's that's interesting 263 00:09:42,630 --> 00:09:40,080 and that yeah that is 264 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:42,640 information that's come uh come out i 265 00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:44,800 know there were several investigations 266 00:09:49,509 --> 00:09:46,320 and in fact one of them 267 00:09:52,310 --> 00:09:49,519 was conducted by a local dallas 268 00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:52,320 television station um did you pick up on 269 00:09:55,829 --> 00:09:53,680 that one at all 270 00:09:56,870 --> 00:09:55,839 yeah so the incident has certainly been 271 00:09:59,509 --> 00:09:56,880 investigated on 272 00:10:02,949 --> 00:09:59,519 numerous occasions and one was broadcast 273 00:10:05,190 --> 00:10:02,959 by local television station kdfw fox 4 274 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:05,200 and two other notable ones were done by 275 00:10:09,670 --> 00:10:06,480 cable networks 276 00:10:11,990 --> 00:10:09,680 so the kdfw report um 277 00:10:13,110 --> 00:10:12,000 they did a lengthy sort of investigative 278 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:13,120 report 279 00:10:19,509 --> 00:10:17,360 who did this was 280 00:10:21,030 --> 00:10:19,519 his name was richard ray and he 281 00:10:22,310 --> 00:10:21,040 interviewed former fort worth star 282 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:22,320 telegram reporter 283 00:10:26,150 --> 00:10:24,560 jim mars who ufo researchers are 284 00:10:28,069 --> 00:10:26,160 probably familiar with that name 285 00:10:29,750 --> 00:10:28,079 and they also interviewed other locals 286 00:10:32,230 --> 00:10:29,760 too and 287 00:10:33,190 --> 00:10:32,240 they said something crashed in aurora 288 00:10:36,389 --> 00:10:33,200 but 289 00:10:38,550 --> 00:10:36,399 ray's report was unable to conclusively 290 00:10:41,350 --> 00:10:38,560 find evidence of extraterrestrial life 291 00:10:42,389 --> 00:10:41,360 or extraterrestrial technology ray 292 00:10:45,030 --> 00:10:42,399 reported that 293 00:10:46,069 --> 00:10:45,040 the state of texas had even erected a 294 00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:46,079 historical plaque 295 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:47,760 i love how they covered that this cool 296 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:49,920 plaque that's in town that outlines 297 00:10:53,750 --> 00:10:52,240 the whole aurora incident but they label 298 00:10:56,790 --> 00:10:53,760 it as a legend 299 00:10:59,269 --> 00:10:56,800 and aurora certainly is a legend 300 00:11:01,350 --> 00:10:59,279 yeah absolutely and you know i can 301 00:11:01,910 --> 00:11:01,360 appreciate that i mean there there's no 302 00:11:04,389 --> 00:11:01,920 physical 303 00:11:05,750 --> 00:11:04,399 evidence and you know it's a great story 304 00:11:08,150 --> 00:11:05,760 and it's a little town 305 00:11:09,110 --> 00:11:08,160 and and you know it's cool that they at 306 00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:09,120 least uh 307 00:11:13,030 --> 00:11:12,240 embraced it to that degree to to put up 308 00:11:14,710 --> 00:11:13,040 a plaque and 309 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:14,720 you even though saying it's a legend 310 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:16,560 it's still a pretty cool little thing to 311 00:11:20,150 --> 00:11:17,360 have 312 00:11:22,470 --> 00:11:20,160 it is you know and and much like roswell 313 00:11:26,710 --> 00:11:22,480 new mexico 314 00:11:29,990 --> 00:11:26,720 aurora seems to have fully embraced 315 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:30,000 the aurora incident because i mean all 316 00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:31,200 you have to do is look 317 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:33,200 on the city's website the city's 318 00:11:37,269 --> 00:11:34,800 official website 319 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:37,279 and you will definitely find information 320 00:11:42,630 --> 00:11:39,360 about this case on that website 321 00:11:45,509 --> 00:11:42,640 you will also find that the city's logo 322 00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:45,519 is a windmill and a flying saucer in the 323 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:45,920 air 324 00:11:51,350 --> 00:11:49,120 it's really cool and that is 325 00:11:53,110 --> 00:11:51,360 that's awesome that that they would do 326 00:11:54,870 --> 00:11:53,120 that yeah that's pretty cool 327 00:11:56,310 --> 00:11:54,880 and we mentioned jim mars in that story 328 00:11:59,190 --> 00:11:56,320 too uh in the 329 00:12:01,350 --> 00:11:59,200 the report done by the news um and jim 330 00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:01,360 actually did his own documentary 331 00:12:05,269 --> 00:12:03,760 on the aurora incident so for people 332 00:12:08,470 --> 00:12:05,279 interested that's that's a 333 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:08,480 cool thing to watch too yeah it is and 334 00:12:12,790 --> 00:12:10,800 jim was just so great wasn't he just you 335 00:12:14,710 --> 00:12:12,800 know he could tell a story man 336 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:14,720 i missed jim mars the guy was he was a 337 00:12:18,629 --> 00:12:16,800 character he really was you could always 338 00:12:19,990 --> 00:12:18,639 go to any ufo conference and see that 339 00:12:22,829 --> 00:12:20,000 hat you knew you knew 340 00:12:24,150 --> 00:12:22,839 jim mars was in the building yeah 341 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:24,160 absolutely 342 00:12:27,910 --> 00:12:25,920 well then you know we mentioned there 343 00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:27,920 are several investigations one i was 344 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:29,440 kind of interested in is 345 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:32,720 do you remember the old ufo tv show ufo 346 00:12:39,190 --> 00:12:35,760 files ufo files were so good yeah 347 00:12:42,230 --> 00:12:39,200 yeah yeah i'm i mean really 348 00:12:42,550 --> 00:12:42,240 more mainstream ufo programs and and 349 00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:42,560 they 350 00:12:48,870 --> 00:12:46,800 really good but yeah this was 351 00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:48,880 this was a case that they they had done 352 00:12:53,990 --> 00:12:50,880 and uh in fact it was on 353 00:12:56,949 --> 00:12:54,000 december 2nd 2005 that they first 354 00:12:59,030 --> 00:12:56,959 aired uh an episode related to this 355 00:13:00,069 --> 00:12:59,040 incident and it was entitled the texas 356 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:00,079 roswell kind of 357 00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:03,120 like you mentioned and um what they had 358 00:13:07,910 --> 00:13:05,680 done is they had featured a 1973 359 00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:07,920 investigation that occurred by a 360 00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:09,920 gentleman by the name of bill case and 361 00:13:13,430 --> 00:13:10,880 he was actually 362 00:13:15,430 --> 00:13:13,440 an aviation writer for that very same 363 00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:15,440 newspaper the dallas times 364 00:13:19,269 --> 00:13:18,079 herald and but what was interesting 365 00:13:22,150 --> 00:13:19,279 especially to me 366 00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:22,160 is that bill was actually the uh texas 367 00:13:25,590 --> 00:13:23,120 state director 368 00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:25,600 of mufon at the time the mutual ufo 369 00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:26,880 network 370 00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:29,600 and um so they you know is sort of a 371 00:13:32,949 --> 00:13:30,560 part of 372 00:13:35,110 --> 00:13:32,959 you know a mufon investigation as well 373 00:13:37,829 --> 00:13:35,120 as you know ted himself yeah 374 00:13:39,350 --> 00:13:37,839 and um was interesting is they uncovered 375 00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:39,360 two 376 00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:42,480 nearly eyewitness uh 377 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:45,040 eyewitnesses to the crash the first was 378 00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:46,000 a 379 00:14:01,030 --> 00:13:57,600 you know 380 00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:01,040 and the discovery of this alien body and 381 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:03,839 charlie stevens who was about age 10 382 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:04,320 told 383 00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:07,440 how he actually saw the airship flying 384 00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:09,760 you know through the sky was trailing 385 00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:10,560 some smoke 386 00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:12,800 kind of headed north towards aurora 387 00:14:17,590 --> 00:14:15,279 their ranch was outside of town a bit 388 00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:17,600 and uh so he saw this thing but and he 389 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:18,560 wanted to go 390 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:20,480 check it out his dad said you know no 391 00:14:25,269 --> 00:14:22,480 you got to finish your chores 392 00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:25,279 which is so so practical that's that 393 00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:27,120 yeah it's so practical cracks me up oh 394 00:14:31,509 --> 00:14:28,720 there's a ufo from 395 00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:31,519 you know an alien from another place you 396 00:14:34,949 --> 00:14:32,800 can't see the ufo 397 00:14:36,389 --> 00:14:34,959 until you eat your dinner yeah that's 398 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:36,399 right or you know 399 00:14:39,430 --> 00:14:38,320 check out the paper whatever his chores 400 00:14:43,030 --> 00:14:39,440 were yeah 401 00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:43,040 cracks me up but but at any rate um 402 00:14:46,629 --> 00:14:46,000 his parents did go to town the next day 403 00:14:49,269 --> 00:14:46,639 and 404 00:14:51,189 --> 00:14:49,279 uh allegedly they saw the actual 405 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:51,199 wreckage or some of the debris from 406 00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:54,320 whatever it was it crashed then 407 00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:57,120 mufon uh also investigated the aurora 408 00:15:00,790 --> 00:14:58,399 cemetery 409 00:15:01,509 --> 00:15:00,800 and they did in fact uncover a grave 410 00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:01,519 marker that 411 00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:03,920 appeared to show a flying saucer of some 412 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:05,120 sort 413 00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:08,000 as well as they had readings uh from a 414 00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:09,600 metal detector because part of the 415 00:15:12,150 --> 00:15:11,519 legend was is that some of the debris 416 00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:12,160 was 417 00:15:19,829 --> 00:15:17,199 addition to what got put into the 418 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:19,839 to the well so they asked for permission 419 00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:20,240 to 420 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:23,040 exhume the site uh but the cemetery 421 00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:24,480 association declined 422 00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:27,760 permission to do that and um 423 00:15:31,509 --> 00:15:29,440 shortly after they conducted their 424 00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:31,519 investigation and it made known that 425 00:15:35,749 --> 00:15:31,839 that 426 00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:35,759 the 427 00:15:41,829 --> 00:15:39,199 marker mysteriously disappeared 428 00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:41,839 from the cemetery although somebody had 429 00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:43,120 driven like a 430 00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:45,199 small pipe into the ground where it was 431 00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:46,480 at so i don't know if they 432 00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,240 wanted to you know take tension 433 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:50,639 attention away from this or whatever 434 00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:54,000 um and but interestingly the 435 00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:57,040 the the metal detector didn't pick up 436 00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:57,920 any more metal 437 00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:00,320 after that had happened so that that's 438 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:01,680 kind of a weird thing i'm not sure 439 00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:03,440 what's going on there 440 00:16:06,949 --> 00:16:06,320 but they're presuming stuff got removed 441 00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:06,959 but 442 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:08,399 you would think you would see evidence 443 00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:10,320 of it i got but whatever i don't have 444 00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:12,399 that level of detail at this point 445 00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:14,800 um but movement's report eventually 446 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:16,480 stated that the evidence was just 447 00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:17,920 inconclusive 448 00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:20,320 and the episode featured an interview 449 00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:21,680 with the mayor 450 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:24,320 at that time her name was last name was 451 00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,360 brammer 452 00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:28,079 and she discussed kind of town's tragic 453 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:28,800 history 454 00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:31,120 and some of her thoughts on what had 455 00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:33,759 happened way back when 456 00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:36,399 yeah imagine that a ufo case without 457 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:38,079 conclusive evidence 458 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:41,120 right and again 459 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:43,360 just just to bring it up again we're 460 00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:44,880 talking about a case 461 00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:48,079 from 1897. 462 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:52,240 that is uh just a little bit ago 463 00:16:58,150 --> 00:16:55,360 uh so imagine how old 464 00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:58,160 people are who when this investigation 465 00:17:03,269 --> 00:16:59,759 was actually taking place 466 00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:03,279 how old the even second-hand witnesses 467 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,640 were at the time i mean it is nearly 468 00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:08,880 impossible with a case like this 469 00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:11,760 to get any worthwhile uh you know 470 00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:13,760 support for the the story i mean 471 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:16,720 a large portion of this entire story 472 00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:17,280 hinges 473 00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:19,199 on a newspaper article that was 474 00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:21,280 published at the time 475 00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:24,400 you know any subsequent witness 476 00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:27,520 testimony is you know second third hand 477 00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:30,320 testimony coming from you know children 478 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:31,039 or 479 00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:32,880 grandchildren of people who were in the 480 00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:34,160 area at the time and 481 00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:35,919 saying oh yeah i remember my parents 482 00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:37,360 telling me about this or my grandparents 483 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:38,880 telling me about this 484 00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:41,200 it's really hard to track that down and 485 00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:42,240 and have it 486 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:44,480 be very weighty in terms of considering 487 00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:46,080 the evidence 488 00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:48,559 yeah and it's a shame that you know that 489 00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:50,000 is the case and 490 00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:51,679 but you know this is a good reason why 491 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:54,080 we're doing what we're doing you know 492 00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:56,000 it doesn't mean that the case you know 493 00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:57,520 it doesn't mean that it didn't happen 494 00:18:01,430 --> 00:17:59,120 just because it's old or 495 00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:01,440 you know um you know there's some 496 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:02,480 documentation 497 00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:05,440 there's some you know testimony and 498 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:08,160 these investigations really kind of 499 00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:10,240 link it you know and keep it alive 500 00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:11,679 throughout history but 501 00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:13,840 and i i know that doesn't necessarily 502 00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:14,880 add any 503 00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:18,000 uh credibility to the original incident 504 00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:19,760 happening or not but at least 505 00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:21,520 you know the details of the data and the 506 00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:23,039 history is being carried 507 00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:26,000 carried forward and um this is one of 508 00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:27,600 the reasons we talked about this being 509 00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:28,799 one of our first 510 00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:32,320 old-fashioned ufo cases is is it it is 511 00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:34,559 it is definitely old but they're it's 512 00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:35,840 not so old that there's 513 00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:38,400 no documentation so there's some stuff 514 00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:39,280 with it and so 515 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:41,039 you know it's still worth considering 516 00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:42,799 yeah absolutely and 517 00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:46,400 as we point out you know there is still 518 00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:49,360 still value in going back and looking at 519 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:51,120 these cases and re-looking at these 520 00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:51,840 cases 521 00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:54,880 because with the video 522 00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:57,120 the the video projects that where we 523 00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:58,160 pointed out 524 00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:01,120 um you know the investigations behind 525 00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:01,840 those 526 00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:03,919 did yield some interesting results and 527 00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:06,559 certainly ufo hunters was another one 528 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:09,679 that uh in 2008 in late 2008 529 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:12,480 they did a television documentary titled 530 00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,120 first contact about the aurora incident 531 00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:17,840 and it featured a notable change from 532 00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:19,840 the ufo files story 533 00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:22,400 and that is the introduction of tim 534 00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,559 oates the nephew of broly oates 535 00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,480 and the now owner of the property with 536 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:28,000 the sealed well where the 537 00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,240 ufo wreckage was allegedly buried and he 538 00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:32,160 allowed investigators to 539 00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:35,200 unseal the well so they could 540 00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:37,120 examine it for possible debris i mean 541 00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,240 that's huge 542 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,400 you know because pestering and pestering 543 00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,760 everybody wanted to do that but they 544 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:42,640 finally 545 00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,200 made it happen and so they did water 546 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,120 samples from the well 547 00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,600 which mostly tested normal except for 548 00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:52,080 large amounts of aluminum present 549 00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:54,880 so i mean there were no like significant 550 00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,840 contents 551 00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:57,120 uh you know in terms of metal or 552 00:20:02,149 --> 00:19:59,679 anything like that taken from the well 553 00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:02,159 but uh you know it stated in the episode 554 00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:04,080 that any large pieces of metal had been 555 00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:05,440 removed from the well 556 00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:07,840 by past owner which we certainly knew 557 00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:09,039 and 558 00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:11,840 then you know there came into question 559 00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,400 uh 560 00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,320 you know we'll talk about this in a 561 00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:16,080 little bit but you know there came into 562 00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:16,880 question about 563 00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,840 there even being a a windmill on the 564 00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,880 property 565 00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:23,280 but you know through this investigation 566 00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:24,640 they they determined 567 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:27,679 that uh you know there was or at least a 568 00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:28,640 base of it you know 569 00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,840 so yeah no no i you know 570 00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,760 i i thought that was an excellent 571 00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:35,600 investigation that's the one that sticks 572 00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,720 in my mind i remember the episode where 573 00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,480 you know the property had like a 574 00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:42,640 six-foot chain-link fence all around it 575 00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:43,440 and literally 576 00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:45,679 three feet over the fence line was that 577 00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:46,640 little 578 00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,840 you know it almost looked like an 579 00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,679 outhouse but you know a small little 580 00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,440 building there on top of that slab 581 00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,679 i mean it was tantalizingly close they 582 00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,840 weren't allowed to go in or do anything 583 00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,520 and you could almost reach out and touch 584 00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:59,120 it and they were just like 585 00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:01,120 oh could if we could only look in there 586 00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:03,360 we could solve eventually they got that 587 00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:03,919 co-op 588 00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,760 cooperation and were able to get in 589 00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,039 there and look at it so 590 00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,039 yeah that was pretty cool and you know 591 00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,799 again i mean that 592 00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,559 thing that's impossible to not want to 593 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,000 further examine the cement 594 00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,240 cemetery i mean they pushed that too on 595 00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,760 that that show 596 00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,159 and the cemetery association still 597 00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:22,799 wouldn't permit anything to be exhumed 598 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,360 they used ground penetrating radar and i 599 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,080 love investigations that use gpr 600 00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,480 so they were able to do that and you 601 00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,159 know although the grade was unmarked 602 00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:34,400 they were still able to sort of identify 603 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:38,240 that in that area evidence points to 604 00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:41,600 there being a a grave there although it 605 00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,000 yeah 606 00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:45,039 tiny grave so a smaller than than normal 607 00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,840 grave 608 00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,600 um they were able to determine was 609 00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:49,440 actually there where it's supposed to be 610 00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:52,480 so that was an interesting find yeah 611 00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,840 absolutely and 612 00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:56,159 again just like so many cases there 613 00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:56,960 there's 614 00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,480 evidence you know it varies and and 615 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,039 you know in terms of what type it is and 616 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,960 its level of credibility but 617 00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,400 you know there's evidence that something 618 00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:08,240 happened there there's no question about 619 00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:08,799 it 620 00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,320 and judge proctor's windmill got creamed 621 00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,120 out by something so 622 00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,840 and in 1897 you don't have a lot of 623 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,200 choices there 624 00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,559 but you know um you know as 625 00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,960 great as that ufo hundreds investigation 626 00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:26,000 is you know there was still 627 00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:29,840 that that little doubt that people had 628 00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:30,320 and 629 00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,440 um i was just going to comment a little 630 00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:36,640 bit on that hoax 631 00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,520 theory and again as a mufon investigator 632 00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:40,559 you always have to 633 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,760 consider hoax as a possibility but 634 00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,840 interestingly it's only a small 635 00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:48,480 percentage of cases really 636 00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,919 are are directly triple attributable to 637 00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:53,039 hoax but 638 00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,240 you know it is something you got to 639 00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,240 consider and so in this case 640 00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,280 um remember i mentioned that that 641 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,919 that mirror at the time she was involved 642 00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:03,760 in one of those stories 643 00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,799 her name was barbara brammer and she was 644 00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,720 a former mayor of aurora 645 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:11,120 and she began to research this and this 646 00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,400 was part of that 647 00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:15,360 uh ufo files episodes that was the 648 00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,640 earlier one 649 00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:19,039 and um she had indicated that in the 650 00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,240 months prior to that 651 00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:23,600 alleged crass that aurora had been beset 652 00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:24,720 by a series of 653 00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,919 of tragic incidents so the and 654 00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,080 and remember you know today these small 655 00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,240 little communities and stuff they were 656 00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,480 living by a thread you know and and 657 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:36,080 people were hanging on and 658 00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,760 you know just didn't have the kind of 659 00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,600 you know government support or big 660 00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,200 corporate support that maybe 661 00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:43,919 you know keeps things moving today and 662 00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,559 so they were 663 00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:47,279 you know pretty sensitive to big changes 664 00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,760 and so 665 00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,200 first thing that happened to them was 666 00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,840 the local cotton crop 667 00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,640 which you know was the main major source 668 00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,960 of revenue for that town 669 00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:59,679 it was destroyed by by a bull weevil 670 00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,679 infestation and that we know that was 671 00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,039 something that was very 672 00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:06,240 prominent back in the day and and it was 673 00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:06,559 a 674 00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,600 on the town's west side 675 00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:13,919 claimed several buildings and lives and 676 00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,159 shortly after the fire 677 00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,039 a spotted fever epidemic hit the town 678 00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:20,559 nearly wiping out 679 00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,440 the remaining citizens and actually 680 00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,159 placed that whole town under quarantine 681 00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,000 so yeah they were really taking it on 682 00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,840 the chin and then finally 683 00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,679 there was supposed to be a railroad to 684 00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:34,159 go through the town which we all know 685 00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,640 that can be a lifeblood of these smaller 686 00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,200 communities 687 00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:42,000 but it never made it to the town it was 688 00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,120 you know 689 00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,679 rerouted like 20 miles away and so that 690 00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,880 was kind of like 691 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,640 you know a heart mistake of a poor 692 00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,640 little town not being able to get the 693 00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,159 railroad to go through there 694 00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,200 yeah but uh essentially 695 00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:57,919 aurora which claimed nearly 3 000 696 00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:58,640 residents 697 00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,080 at that time was in serious danger of 698 00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:04,640 dying out and brammer's research 699 00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,120 uh also showed that that guy who wrote 700 00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:09,840 the article that essie hayden 701 00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,640 he was in known in the town to be a bit 702 00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,159 of a jokester yeah 703 00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,159 and her conclusion is that hayden's 704 00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,559 article was kind of a last-ditch attempt 705 00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:19,520 to keep 706 00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,559 aurora alive yeah i mean that's not a 707 00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,000 crazy theory because 708 00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:26,000 we know a lot of little towns really 709 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,520 thrive off their 710 00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:30,080 their legends and myths and continue to 711 00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,960 be you know 712 00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,679 like a a tourist destination because of 713 00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,880 those things so 714 00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,799 i mean it's not out of the question that 715 00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:38,559 that could have been the case 716 00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:41,200 um and it was further supported by the 717 00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,080 fact that he never 718 00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,080 performed any kind of follow-up to that 719 00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,640 story uh not even to report on the 720 00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,159 aliens burial which 721 00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,000 i think the last lane of the line of 722 00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,080 that report said that you know that 723 00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:54,240 the funerals in two days or whatever it 724 00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,200 was 725 00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,919 and you would think that that would be a 726 00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,679 even bigger story than 727 00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:02,400 yes the crap turns out for an alien's 728 00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:02,960 funeral 729 00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,720 think so and 730 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,559 i would even you know bring my old 731 00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:09,760 fashioned with me and 732 00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:13,039 yes and enjoy that 733 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,679 yeah no they there conveniently was no 734 00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,960 follow-up there 735 00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,640 and it's also interesting pointing out 736 00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,440 that you know i think that 737 00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,440 you know actually goes to support the 738 00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:25,600 idea that it wasn't 739 00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,039 like a some sort of effort to 740 00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,679 generate you know tourism or anything to 741 00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,880 save the town 742 00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:35,120 it just sounds like you know if that is 743 00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,000 the argument 744 00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,120 it just sounds like a funny guy 745 00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,960 you know being being goofy and writing a 746 00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,960 goofy story just to be silly 747 00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,640 and get some laughs because he thought 748 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,400 that was great fun 749 00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,159 but you know because there was no 750 00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,919 follow-up because 751 00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:52,320 there isn't any record of trying to 752 00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,440 capitalize on 753 00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,520 come see the alien grave or come see 754 00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,120 where a ufo crashed 755 00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,120 it just kind of died with him it seemed 756 00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,200 like he was a lone wolf in that it was 757 00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:03,120 his own little game that he wanted to do 758 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,240 if that was 759 00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:06,880 what it was it doesn't seem like it was 760 00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:09,440 any effort on the part of the town to 761 00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,559 help keep it alive yeah 762 00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,080 no i totally agree with you there if 763 00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:15,919 that was really the intent 764 00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,880 uh the real opportunity came later yes 765 00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,000 like you said 766 00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:22,720 to really to really drive uh drive 767 00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,279 interest 768 00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,159 and so forth so yeah i think that's a 769 00:27:29,789 --> 00:27:28,080 certainly a possibility or 770 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,799 you know or and maybe it was an 771 00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:31,600 exaggeration or maybe 772 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,399 you know we'll we'll talk more about it 773 00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,760 you're going to talk more about it but 774 00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:37,600 at the time there was some 775 00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,960 interesting things going on across the 776 00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,080 country 777 00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:44,880 that would certainly generate some kind 778 00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,279 of 779 00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:48,399 interest there um and you know i i'll 780 00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:49,360 just say it 781 00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,960 on the outside as with every ufo case an 782 00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,799 investigator must consider the 783 00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,960 possibility of misidentification 784 00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:59,120 yes in fact in my mind my experience as 785 00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:00,880 a mufon investigator 786 00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:04,080 i i'm in the like maybe 85 percent range 787 00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:05,360 of cases 788 00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:08,600 that are reported are actually 789 00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,919 misidentifications of 790 00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:12,480 something more prosaic yeah and i'm glad 791 00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,279 you brought that up 792 00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,080 because you did you did mention that uh 793 00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,159 you know very small percentage 794 00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,960 of of hoaxes you know ufo cases very 795 00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,080 small percentage 796 00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:25,279 are actual deliberate hoaxes but yes 797 00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,000 the large majority are just 798 00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,799 misidentifications 799 00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,720 yeah and when you think about it today 800 00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,960 we have a ton of stuff out there right 801 00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,919 we've so much 802 00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:36,640 airplanes and helicopters and missiles 803 00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,399 and rockets and satellites and drones 804 00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,320 and then you know of course then all the 805 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:44,720 prosaic stuff the natural things 806 00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,320 aurora borealis or ball lightning or 807 00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,799 you know planet venus or ju there there 808 00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,399 are a lot of things that 809 00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,880 when depending on the context of your 810 00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,039 situation either you've never seen them 811 00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,360 or you rarely see them or you don't see 812 00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,600 them in the context of what 813 00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,679 what you're experiencing at that moment 814 00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,120 and so something prosaic 815 00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:08,080 can can look really weird so you know i 816 00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,640 i don't 817 00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,679 um criticize anyone because some of the 818 00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,279 brightest minds in the world 819 00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,679 have made misidentifications you know 820 00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:17,520 scientists and military and all 821 00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:20,720 so it's it's not a criticism of the 822 00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:23,679 observer's ability it's just you know 823 00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:30,950 absolutely so one of the big issues 824 00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:31,760 though 825 00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,960 in 1897 it's not like you had 826 00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,360 airplanes helicopters missiles rockets 827 00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,799 satellites or drones 828 00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,960 so you're going to touch on something 829 00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,799 though that could have been 830 00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,440 a misidentity yeah you're right so at 831 00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:46,640 that point in time 832 00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,000 anything in the sky was likely something 833 00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:52,399 you know mysterious and you know 834 00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,039 something that 835 00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,880 other people hadn't seen because there 836 00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:56,799 wasn't really anything in the sky 837 00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,720 um there was a a flap 838 00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:03,279 of sorts during that time period 1896 839 00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,480 1897 840 00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:07,120 of these mystery airships across the 841 00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,559 country 842 00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:15,350 and they were never really resolved or 843 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:18,960 you know explained 844 00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:22,000 people reported strange airships 845 00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,880 and even encounters with the occupants 846 00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:26,240 of these airships 847 00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:29,760 um even interesting ones like 848 00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,399 you know kids playing in a field and and 849 00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:33,840 seeing one of these things 850 00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,320 drift over and like claiming to hear 851 00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:39,039 conversations of the occupants 852 00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,480 piloting these things yeah i mean these 853 00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,640 reports came from coast to coast 854 00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:47,039 here in the u.s and certainly all across 855 00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,320 the world and 856 00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,600 there are lots of newspaper reports 857 00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,960 of these mysterious sightings uh 858 00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,039 there were you know unusual lights 859 00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,039 associated with these things 860 00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,159 uh cigar shape was commonly reported 861 00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:04,320 with a lot of these airships you know 862 00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,679 very very similar to 863 00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,760 dirigibles in their appearance a lot of 864 00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,120 them um 865 00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,760 pilots reported as human looking but not 866 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:12,720 quite 867 00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,840 um and many reports of these these uh 868 00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,760 pilots being from mars and you know we 869 00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:19,600 certainly saw that in the aurora case 870 00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,159 which 871 00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:22,320 was kind of silly in how that was 872 00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,279 presented but 873 00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,919 uh you know that was was not uncommon at 874 00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:27,600 the time mars was very much 875 00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:30,799 a pop culture thing and aliens from mars 876 00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,720 but you know people try to explain that 877 00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:36,000 the airship thing 878 00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,200 um as possibly being 879 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,840 you know some rich inventor 880 00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,120 experimenting 881 00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,159 with some sort of air travel and people 882 00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,840 like to poo poo that saying that oh if 883 00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:49,200 somebody was doing that 884 00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:50,159 you know it would have been public 885 00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,360 knowledge everybody would have been on 886 00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,880 top of that but 887 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,480 that's not really the case news traveled 888 00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,320 very slowly back then 889 00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:57,760 people relied on newspapers and 890 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,559 primarily their local newspapers so 891 00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,320 they were familiar with the news that 892 00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:03,919 was taking place in their 893 00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,880 local town and you know big stories they 894 00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,240 would hear about but 895 00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,080 you know even in aurora around that time 896 00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,519 there were lots of other 897 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,919 sightings like this that were taking 898 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,360 place that were being reported in the 899 00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:16,640 local media 900 00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,640 but you know although it was 901 00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,960 uncommon and people were unfamiliar with 902 00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:24,240 this stuff 903 00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,440 there were airships in the skies 904 00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:30,240 during that time you know there were 905 00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:30,640 rich 906 00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:33,519 crazy awesome inventors testing this 907 00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,240 stuff 908 00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:37,360 there were certainly craft that could do 909 00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:38,640 very short flights 910 00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:41,840 but there were craft being being tested 911 00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:42,640 at that time 912 00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,919 that were able uh able uh to do longer 913 00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,720 flights 914 00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,159 um certainly kind of matching the 915 00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,600 description of some of these crafts and 916 00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:51,039 certainly in aurora you know they talked 917 00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,519 about 918 00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,799 something must have been wrong with its 919 00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,320 engine because it was only going like 10 920 00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:55,760 miles an hour or something through this 921 00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,480 guy 922 00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,240 um you know that sounds a little bit 923 00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,480 like uh like a dirigible or some 924 00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,559 type of blimp um a lot of these 925 00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:04,640 sightings too reported things like 926 00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,480 uh propellers as the the propulsion 927 00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:11,039 mechanism on these ships but again that 928 00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:12,080 also 929 00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,760 could play into what you're familiar 930 00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,440 with right because we equate things to 931 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:16,880 what we know we look at at 932 00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,080 mysterious things and try to put 933 00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,159 our familiarity onto those to make them 934 00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,000 make sense to us so who knows if they 935 00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,679 actually did have propeller 936 00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,279 propulsion but those are some of the 937 00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:28,799 things that were reported 938 00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,880 but although it was limited at that time 939 00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:33,360 there certainly were 940 00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,880 conventional craft in the sky yeah i was 941 00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,440 i was fascinated to discover that 942 00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,200 actually ballooning 943 00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,840 had started about a hundred years before 944 00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:44,320 that 945 00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:48,080 think about 946 00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:51,519 like i think one account i read like for 947 00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:54,720 in the civil war no no no 948 00:34:03,669 --> 00:33:59,519 no no that's 1860 no in sev in the 1700s 949 00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,679 there was a um an attempt 950 00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,000 to well i think that's when it they 951 00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,919 first started developing balloons and 952 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,079 they were the quote hot air balloons 953 00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,560 yeah that's what they used but they 954 00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,639 found that that only lasted like 15 955 00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:16,000 minutes or something 956 00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:20,079 and then they finally um achieved the 957 00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:21,520 technology of using 958 00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,280 gas like helium or hydrogen 959 00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,760 to to propel these balloons and then it 960 00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,520 enabled them to go further and 961 00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:31,599 there was a an attempt to go to the 962 00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:32,560 north pole 963 00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,079 but i think a swedish guy and um 964 00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,560 you know they didn't make it but again 965 00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,000 late 1700s 966 00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,879 attempting to go to the north pole in a 967 00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,119 balloon oh my gosh you know so 968 00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,119 yeah you can readily imagine that this 969 00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,359 technology was spreading earth-wide 970 00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,720 different people were 971 00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:53,040 making different efforts and there has 972 00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,240 to be in my mind 973 00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:56,079 anyway jason i don't know how you feel 974 00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:57,359 about this but 975 00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:00,640 for there to be multiple reports across 976 00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,359 the country 977 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,599 and across the world of these so-called 978 00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,560 airships 979 00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,440 there still has to be some explanation 980 00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:09,440 for that right it isn't 981 00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:13,119 as you said any an event might occur 982 00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,240 and it would take a couple weeks for 983 00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,720 that event to get spread around to the 984 00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:20,320 other newspapers and stuff in the 985 00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,280 country so 986 00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,680 like i know san francisco was an area 987 00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:25,599 that had multiple sightings 988 00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,320 um but you know it might take two weeks 989 00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,079 for the east coast to even hear about 990 00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,680 it right so it's not like today you have 991 00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:33,440 the internet and you have cable news and 992 00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,480 blah blah and you have 993 00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:37,119 instantaneous sharing of information it 994 00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:38,480 would take weeks so 995 00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:42,079 if you're of the opinion that oh 996 00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,920 one person made a mistake or a 997 00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,079 misidentification 998 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,040 and got reported and then everybody else 999 00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,200 just picked up on that same report and 1000 00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,119 you know because it was just so 1001 00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:55,280 ubiquitous and easy to dispen 1002 00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:58,720 no right that that story even to get 1003 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:01,920 that story from san francisco to another 1004 00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,040 um city say denver i mean somebody 1005 00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,119 probably had to get on a train 1006 00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:10,000 or a horse or whatever and take that 1007 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,040 information there 1008 00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,680 now maybe there's telegraph at that time 1009 00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:15,599 i'm sorry i'm not sure on my history 1010 00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,560 there but 1011 00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:19,119 um you know there wasn't teletype there 1012 00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:19,599 wasn't 1013 00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,480 email there what you know i mean it so 1014 00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:23,599 there 1015 00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:26,800 this thing and 1016 00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:30,000 i equate that to even like today with 1017 00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,680 uh reports or you know think 1018 00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,160 when you're getting thousands of reports 1019 00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:37,920 on something 1020 00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,960 it can't all be a hoax it can't 1021 00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:43,440 all be a mis identification you know 1022 00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:44,320 there has to be 1023 00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:48,000 some actual reality that's triggering 1024 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,400 this 1025 00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,320 even if it's misinterpreted or 1026 00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:52,000 exaggerated or whatever you know what 1027 00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,040 i'm saying so 1028 00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:55,040 that that's kind of my feeling on it 1029 00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:56,480 right and i don't i don't i think 1030 00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,200 there's 1031 00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,880 again talking about percentages i think 1032 00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:00,240 the percentage 1033 00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,599 of the mass effect is pretty small 1034 00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,599 you know we hear that with ufo statistic 1035 00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,000 ufo sighting statistics every year with 1036 00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,960 you know the summertime bump you know 1037 00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,480 with it being related to 1038 00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,160 summer blockbusters you know people 1039 00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:15,760 seeing ufo 1040 00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,200 movies um ufo related movies and then 1041 00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,079 there being a an uptick in ufo sightings 1042 00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,480 because people just saw the latest ufo 1043 00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,560 blockbuster and now they're seeing ufos 1044 00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,079 everywhere i mean 1045 00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,000 yes there is a percentage of that that 1046 00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:31,680 does actually happen 1047 00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,240 but to say it's substantial i think is 1048 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,680 ridiculous 1049 00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,680 yeah certainly back during a time when 1050 00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,599 news traveled slow 1051 00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,200 and that's what people even were aware 1052 00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:43,280 of news happening other places you know 1053 00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,560 they were familiar with 1054 00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,640 what was happening in their town what 1055 00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,400 was happening with their immediate 1056 00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,839 family and what they were hearing 1057 00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:50,960 locally 1058 00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:53,839 and there was certainly a buzz across 1059 00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:54,480 the country 1060 00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,760 as well as other other countries 1061 00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,920 during that time so there was stuff in 1062 00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:01,839 the air for sure 1063 00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,440 yeah well that's so cool i i 1064 00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:07,839 i love this idea of these old-fashioned 1065 00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:08,560 ufos 1066 00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,839 yeah and these cases and you know 1067 00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,359 partly because it's just part of the 1068 00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,440 history of ufos and that's neat and 1069 00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,119 interesting in itself but 1070 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:19,200 i i still think that there's value to 1071 00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:20,560 these cases and 1072 00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,000 in terms of like you know what you 1073 00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,079 investigate and how you go about that 1074 00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,839 investigation and even with this one 1075 00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:29,119 we've seen how it 1076 00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:32,079 how it matured over the decades right so 1077 00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,599 you had the guy that writes the little 1078 00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:35,760 article the first day boom that's it and 1079 00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:36,160 then 1080 00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,480 cemetery and the mayor 1081 00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:42,800 and you know the town and proc judge 1082 00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,839 proctor and 1083 00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,520 you know all that and then and then 1084 00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:48,160 there are discoveries made you know that 1085 00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,560 there 1086 00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,720 was in fact a windmill yes debris 1087 00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:52,160 actually got put into the well 1088 00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,760 the well was closed up the well was 1089 00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,839 opened up later i mean all these things 1090 00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:56,880 are still 1091 00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:59,599 really fascinating and interesting 1092 00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,240 aspects of investigation and research 1093 00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:04,320 into ufos and i think it does teach us 1094 00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:05,599 something i mean i 1095 00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:09,040 still look at those ufo hunter episodes 1096 00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,400 and i absolutely love 1097 00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:13,680 the way they investigated i i think it 1098 00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,000 was 1099 00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:17,119 highly effective um in terms of 1100 00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,680 investigative but also in terms of the 1101 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,720 entertainment value 1102 00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,960 and the the communication value to make 1103 00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:23,839 those things 1104 00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,400 known to the public so and there's just 1105 00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,079 great value and all that so i 1106 00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,040 i love it and i i do like this case and 1107 00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,880 you know it's my gray basket i mean i 1108 00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:33,839 think you know the 1109 00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,880 like it likely it's probably not what we 1110 00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,400 think it is or 1111 00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:40,880 you know but you know who knows right 1112 00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:41,520 it's 1113 00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:44,560 i 1114 00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,240 you can 1115 00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,800 glean from looking back at the 1116 00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,000 investigation process 1117 00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:58,400 of this case and the various elements 1118 00:40:04,870 --> 00:39:59,119 that 1119 00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:04,880 testimony looks like 1120 00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,920 you know generationally 1121 00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,240 just so many fascinating things from an 1122 00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:13,040 investigative standpoint with this case 1123 00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:16,800 uh and then you know i love towns 1124 00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,000 we mentioned roswell but and you know 1125 00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,599 they've kind of flip-flopped over the 1126 00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,119 years but uh 1127 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,280 you know talents that take take this and 1128 00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,280 just run with it they embrace it 1129 00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,920 make it part of their identity and you 1130 00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:30,960 know that 1131 00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,109 really encourage people to become 1132 00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:39,440 interested and do a little digging on 1133 00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,240 their own 1134 00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:42,079 you know because otherwise they might 1135 00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,359 not have heard about 1136 00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,200 aurora texas they might not have heard 1137 00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,240 about the aurora texas ufo incident 1138 00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:50,480 when they even look at the the ufo logo 1139 00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,920 and see that or the 1140 00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:54,640 city logo and see the ufo on it they 1141 00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,040 might 1142 00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,640 do a little digging and say why is there 1143 00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:58,960 a ufo on a city logo 1144 00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,000 and then find their legendary case 1145 00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:04,319 and start looking into it realize that 1146 00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,920 there have been documentaries made about 1147 00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,440 this there have been books written about 1148 00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:09,040 this there have been investigations done 1149 00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:10,240 and done into this 1150 00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,440 uh so it kind of opens the door to 1151 00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,839 tumble down and and do some do some 1152 00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,440 independent research 1153 00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,920 and get interested and uh become aware 1154 00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:22,319 of other cases too 1155 00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:25,760 yep very cool so great for people newly 1156 00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,640 interested in this 1157 00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,560 and and even great for folks who have 1158 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,640 been at it a long time so i even love 1159 00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,920 how the town and i don't i don't know 1160 00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,960 how they came to this 1161 00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,720 i mean maybe i need to do some more 1162 00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,720 research but they even have a name for 1163 00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:37,839 the 1164 00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:41,520 have buried 1165 00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:44,480 his name is ned oh no kidding yeah ned 1166 00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:44,960 ned 1167 00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,000 alien so love it 1168 00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:50,480 yeah they've got the whole history there 1169 00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:51,440 so that's great 1170 00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:54,720 um for me yeah i mean it's it's 1171 00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,319 grayish for me as well on this case 1172 00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,520 um i can't it's hard to just nail down 1173 00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,359 and say 1174 00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,680 i think this is a real case where i 1175 00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,119 think this is a hoax case 1176 00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,880 because there's so many different 1177 00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,640 elements going on here 1178 00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,960 like we pointed out with the the article 1179 00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,160 most of this is based 1180 00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,640 just on a newspaper article we don't 1181 00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,160 know the motives behind the guy we know 1182 00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,920 he was a jokester 1183 00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:22,079 that's how he was known by people who 1184 00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:22,960 knew him 1185 00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,000 um but and in the 1186 00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,480 in the article itself it's very there 1187 00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,040 are plenty of things that are very jokey 1188 00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,720 that seem kind of silly to throw in such 1189 00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,119 a you know kind of shocking article 1190 00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,200 about a ufo crashing and a 1191 00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,920 extraterrestrial having a funeral but uh 1192 00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,000 you know the pointing out that the ufo 1193 00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,720 destroyed the judge's flower garden 1194 00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,040 and that they talked to some guy who 1195 00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,400 knew astronomy and 1196 00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,960 could claim that this guy was the pilot 1197 00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,839 was from mars 1198 00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,839 i mean that's just ridiculous so i mean 1199 00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:55,280 there are lots of things in there that 1200 00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,760 are just 1201 00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,160 kind of laughable but we do have 1202 00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,000 evidence that something did 1203 00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,359 in fact crash there on the property 1204 00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,000 and destroyed the windmill or water tank 1205 00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:08,400 or sump pump or whatever it was 1206 00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,119 something was destroyed there there was 1207 00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:12,480 remains of 1208 00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,680 a wreck of some kind 1209 00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,400 bring into it the cemetery something was 1210 00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:19,839 buried 1211 00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,119 it's all very strange and not so 1212 00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,720 easily dismissed as a non-event 1213 00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,760 or simply a hoax event yep 1214 00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:32,079 i'm so with beyond that something 1215 00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,520 happened now 1216 00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,359 doesn't mean it's alien no but something 1217 00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:37,200 happened right and we'll never know what 1218 00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,240 that was 1219 00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:41,119 yeah yep but it's just a great part of 1220 00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:41,839 the lore 1221 00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,599 and and uh you know still fascinating 1222 00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,400 the frustrating and amazing thing about 1223 00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:50,800 those old-fashioned ufo cases 1224 00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,000 yeah exactly well that 1225 00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:56,960 concludes our discussion of the old 1226 00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,240 fashioned case of the 1897 aurora texas 1227 00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,920 ufo crash 1228 00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,079 but next time we're going to be 1229 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,839 discussing what is considered by 1230 00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,640 many to be the beginning of the modern 1231 00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:10,160 ufo era 1232 00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,520 the kenneth arnold sighting in june of 1233 00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,079 1947. 1234 00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,359 so join us with your favorite beverage 1235 00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:20,160 and also hear about the origin of the 1236 00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:21,119 term 1237 00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:24,880 flying soft saucer all right